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Dat debate

Posted by Marius Oberholster on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 Under: The Gospel
Hey all!!

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Okay, onto today's post here, haha.
   On the 4th of February 2014, there was a serious clash of worldviews on YouTube. The question of the debate was:
"Is Creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific society?"
Watch the debate here.

Granted, this was no new debate and has been going on for a very long time and no amount of gathered evidence will convince anyone of anything they don't want to know. For example, people who smoke, know it's bad to smoke, they'll tell children it'll kill them while they, themselves, are doing it, yet they still persist. In fact, it was so influenced by the spirit of the time, that doctors were used to say that smoking is not bad for you. Here's an example of the spirit of the time through ads. Just see this ad as well.

My point is not to pick on smokers, but the root cause of the problem; bad influence and an abundance of evidence showing it's bad, but choosing to turn a blind eye on purpose. If you want to keep doing something, you will do so, no matter what anyone tells you. Of course, GOD shows us this when HE said it like this:

2 Peter 3, KJV
"This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before
by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles
of the Lord and Saviour:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of
his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as
they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly
are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby
the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But

the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are
kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one
thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his
promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to

us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come
to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the
night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the
works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these
things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in
all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the
coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be
dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless
we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye
look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of
our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according
to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his
epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things
hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable
wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware
lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your
own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord
and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and for ever.
Amen."

Granted, this is a much more full answer, but a very needed one, because it shows what the debate is about. It's not about evidence and it never was for Bill Nye. Even if you presented him everything, including like his recent ark challenge, then he still wouldn't listen. We know this from his own words as well when he said that if he were to accept CHRIST, he still wouldn't let go of the theory of evolution. The irony is that he knows GOD is real, as does every living human being and every human being that will be and has been.

As always, this remains an attack on the authority of GOD's Word and like it or not, it does matter whether you can take GOD at HIS Word from Genesis 1 or not. If you can't, then you can't accept the Gospel. If you can trust GOD and know HIS Word is true, then you also know that the Gospel is true, Heaven is real and so is hell and the devil.

That was the focus of Ken's arguments. And while he couldn't lay out all the research done and so on, because the time was too short, I'm glad it got people talking.
Evolution is a theory that is taught as truth when it's simply not the case. Ray Comfort and his team went to professors in this field, and they couldn't give one example of a change of kind (ie a bird change into a banana, frog into a bird, etc.) and it's simply because it does not exist.

The debate proved that Bill did not do his research. He said that if you were to bring change in the mainstream science belief you are accepted and adored, but this is not the case. Just take Ignaz Semmelweis as an example. He was ridiculed for telling the doctors to wash their hands before operations. Why? Because the mainstream belief (not, fact, or proven, but belief) was that in the ward where the mothers gave birth was a poison gas that proved fatal to some.
When he told them to wash their hands before visiting patients, the mortality rate (really caused by infection from poor hygiene) dropped and all but vanished and when he presented his findings, with statistics, he was fired. And what do you know, the mortality rate went up again when they went back to their old ways. He was eventually tricked into an asylum and died shortly after, due to his injuries sustained during the event... (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ignaz_semmelweis.htm, sci-show - taboos of science, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis)
So just on the basis of this, you know Bill has it wrong. He also said that in Kentucky, there is no university that supports medicine that works with radiology, but the AiG team checked it out and actually found that there is an accredited course offered there. You can find info on it here and all I had to do was google "Kentucky, radiology course". If just on these two things, very very very very very elementary things he failed to do his research, how can you trust anything else he said in his presentation. Granted, this is not about Bill and he could have done some digging, but it was about his point of view (he didn't bother to find out what GOD said had to be on the ark, for example), which it really is, only a point of view that comes from variations inside an animal's already existing genetic code, that they believe (can't prove) can be changed over millions of years, which is not the case, because on the authority of GOD's Word and real research you can find on AiG, the universe itself is not even that old.

If you just consider the way erosion happens, for example, you'd already know it doesn't happen in a flat method, but more like sound-waves. However, if you know about floods and the occurence of turbidites and land-slides and dust settling in water, it explains the layers and the 'missing time' areas as well.

Do yourself a real favor and check out:
- Kent Hovind's seminar
- Walter Veith's seminar
- Evolution vs GOD
- Answers In Genesis

Why is all this so important? Can't we just all get along? And the answer is no, because while we can 'agree to disagree', it would not be the right thing to do. By undermining the Word of GOD, you undermine salvation through JESUS. And, Revelation warns that:
"
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." Revelation 22, KJV

I don't want the plagues added to you, nor do I want your part to be taken out of the book of life! Seriously, we all sinned and we don't measure up with GOD's standard. Thinking you are a "good" person, is not good enough. It was never and will never be. Only JESUS' sacrifice was enough to pay our fine for the sin we committed against GOD (HE has the say, because HE made everything and owns everything).
JESUS' sacrifice is by no means an excuse to sin, because if you're truly sorry, you turn from your sins and follow HIM and live the way HE tells you to. Granted, this does not happen overnight, but you have to choose JESUS or choose death at some point during your life  here.
Please, give your heart and life to JESUS and follow HIM. Pray with me:
"LORD JESUS, YOU are LORD and I choose YOU. I make YOU the LORD of my life, my heart and my eternity. Save me from my sins. I believe YOU died for me and that GOD raised YOU on the third day and YOU live today. Fill me with YOUR HOLY SPIRIT and help me live a life pleasing to YOU, in JESUS' Name! Amen!"

To find a Bible is not hard, because you have apps all over the internet, not to mention websites like BibleGatway and BibleHub. Start with the Gospels and the new testament and get to know who you are in CHRIST first then go through the Old Testament. It's a journey! :D

Thank you for sticking it out this far! I would like to tell you where I stood on this too. I didn't know what to think. I knew the Word says 6 days and the people say billions (was at one point millions, haha) of years. Anyway, one day I asked GOD what is there for us to stand against this, because they have all this 'evidence' and I had nothing. I knew that science was supposed to confirm the Word as it says:
"
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:20 KJV.
HE did not give me a vision, no divine revelation, but simply a question: "Who are you going to believe?" and there I made my choice to follow GOD's Word, because I can trust HIM.
   Later (maybe two or three weeks, I don't recall exactly), I watched one of FireCharger's videos and he mentioned Kent Hovind. Nothing on what he does, who he is, or whatever, but only that he may have been imprisoned to keep him quiet. Didn't think much of it, but I really had a burning in me to look him up and I found his seminar on Creation and I was floored!!
   I just know GOD brought that as an answer and a reward for trusting HIM above what people say. Now, I share this, because as Ken illustrated in the first message of his Foundations series, if your foundation isn't stable, your house isn't stable. Just like JESUS said:
"
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matthew 7:26-27, KJV

I know GOD. I can honestly say that, because I've known HIM since end of 2008. Don't ignore this, because the foundation of your salvation may be shaken because of it, as many have been and will continue to be, as the Word also says: "
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain." Hebrews 12:27, KJV
Rely on JESUS and the Word of GOD so you have a solid foundation!

Thank YOU!!!!!!!

In : The Gospel 


Tags: jesus  creation  science  ken  bill  debate 

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." Revelation 22:18-21

"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Proverbs 30:6

King James Version, Public Domain

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